discover life outside the box. >> offer up. >> okay. >> we all know. >> that donald trump has long been obsessed with the idea of. >> revenge and retribution. >> i mean. >> other. >> than tariffs, he has probably talked about revenge and retribution more than anything else during his entire time in public life.

>> i would have wiped the floor with the guys that weren't loyal, which i will now do, which is great. you know, i love getting even with people. >> i am your retribution. i am your retribution. there has to be retribution. there must be retribution. so maybe something should be thought about. you know, a little bit of retribution. >> well, now that he's back in. >> office. >> every single. >> day seems to be a new stop on president trump's revenge tour. i mean, just in the last 24 hours, trump announced that he was blocking harvard university from being able to enroll any international students, putting the fate of nearly 7000 students in jeopardy. harvard sued, and federal judge put that order on hold. but it comes after trump already announced his plans to try and strip harvard of its tax exempt status. officially, the administration claims this is all somehow about policing antisemitism and going after di. but every time, which isn't good either. the last part, but every time trump. brings this up on his own, he says absolutely nothing about either of those

things. in fact, he makes it very clear that one of the things he is really bugged about is the fact that harvard hired two former democratic mayors he doesn't like. >> can you imagine the money we pay harvard? they hire de blasio, the worst mayor in the history of new york, and they hire the woman from chicago who was a disaster. what's going on with harvard? really scamming the public and hiring people like. de blasio and lori lightfoot. >> who are. >> certainly two of the worst mayors in the history of our country. >> and harvard is just one of the institutions trump is targeting for retribution simply because he doesn't like him. there's also the media. i mean, just last night, reuters reported that trump's fcc is going after the watchdog group media matters over their coverage of elon musk. he's also targeted news organizations like cbs and abc news over coverage that bothered him from those networks. and he tried to kick the associated press out of the white house press pool. remember, just because they

won't call the gulf of mexico the gulf of america, his d.o.j. is targeting a top democratic fundraising operation. he's also punishing law firms who represent his opponents. and just today, a federal judge struck down trump's order against one of those firms, saying it is unconstitutional. but of course, trump isn't just targeting institutions and law firms. he is doing a lot of that, but he's also targeting individual people. since taking office again, trump has threatened a number of his critics. just last week, he even suggested he wanted to investigate bruce springsteen, beyonce, oprah and bono over their endorsements of kamala harris. and those probably aren't serious threats. they certainly don't have any legal basis, but that obviously hasn't stopped him before. so honestly, who can say for sure what's serious and what's not in his mind? because trump has already launched investigations into several other rivals on equally thin grounds. people like chris krebs, the former head of us cybersecurity who trump ordered the doj to investigate just

because he said the 2020 election wasn't stolen, which it wasn't. there's also miles taylor, the former trump official who wrote an anonymous op ed criticizing trump. trump has ordered the doj to investigate him as well. the justice department is prosecuting democratic congresswoman lamonica mciver for allegedly assaulting law enforcement while she was trying to conduct oversight of an ice detention center. and just this week, the doj announced another investigation into trump rival and former new york governor andrew cuomo over his handling of covid. and then, of course, there's james comey, the former fbi director who has long been the target of trump's ire. by now, you've probably seen this relatively benign social media post from comey. a photo of seashells he came across on the beach spelling out 8647. the trump administration deemed that post a threat against trump's life. director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard called for comey to be jailed over it. homeland security secretary kristi noem dispatched secret service agents to interview comey about the alleged threat. look, the good

news is that when institutions push back against trump's threats, in many cases, they win. they've been winning lately. harvard pushed back today, and they won. so far, four law firms have pushed back against him. and those four law firms are undefeated against him in court. but for these individual people getting targeted and investigated by the president of the united states is no small thing. so how should they react when trump uses the power of his office to go after his opponents like this? well, i have just the person to ask. joining me now is former fbi director james comey. he's the author of a brand new novel, his third. fdr drive, and we'll talk about that, too. it's great to see you. let me just start by asking you. i mean, i mentioned you've talked about this controversy over the social media post. i mentioned it. you willingly met with with secret service officials. is it over now? have they told you it's over? or do you expect they're going to try to continue it and try to keep investigating you in some capacity? >> i expect it will go away. >> because there's nothing there. and then trump will wake

up in the middle of the night. true thing or whatever it's called about me, because he's obsessed in some weird way. but for me, the people you listed are people who haven't been through it before, like i have. unfortunately, i have lots of experience with this. take a chris krebs. that's a guy you've never heard of being targeted by an executive order of the president saying you shall be investigated. that's life altering. >> what should they i don't know if you've been in touch with chris krebs or any of these people. what should they be doing? there are people who are even less famous than chris krebs and miles taylor who will be targeted. what should they do when they're targeted? >> probably two things i learned to do with these kind of threats at the same time that seem contradictory. first, see it clearly. understand that there really is a threat. second, don't let it overwhelm you. don't give them that. don't let it freak you out and dominate your life. take prudent steps, but don't give. part of the roar of trump is to freak out his victims, the people he targets. so don't give them that. but don't. also, don't neglect the threat. protect yourself.

>> you're promoting a book, which we'll talk about that. and you had to respond to these questions about the seashells. but you could choose to not be out there publicly and talking about these issues. why have you chosen to be out there? >> i was actually, i'm embarrassed to say, trying to withdraw a little bit, especially since last november. be a grandfather, be an author, wear t shirts and jeans all the time. and the reason i'm dressed in my old uniform is to remind myself that's the coward's way. you must stand up and speak. everyone who can speak. i can speak about the rule of law, especially needs to be out there because there are real serious threats. and the only thing that's necessary for them to triumph is for good men and women to be silent. >> one of the challenges there's many right now, but one of the challenges i've found is that there are so many things happening every single day. sometimes you lose the thread on different stories that are important to focus on and talk about. and since you are the former fbi director, i wanted to ask you about some of the things going on there. i mean, kash patel, i think was quite a

choice as one diplomatic way of saying it. he's reportedly been spending a lot of time in vegas and other places, which i saw you say recently. maybe that's a good thing. what do you make of the job he's doing so far and what concerns you the most about it? >> hard to tell for sure from the outside. obviously, you start with the fact that the guy has literally nothing in his entire adult life that prepares him for this role. and so that's deeply concerning to start with. in a way, i kind of feel a little bit sorry for the guy. he's barked at the fbi nonsense for years, and now he not only caught the car, he's got to drive the car. and so that is a daunting task for him. i hope he lets the career people do their jobs, but they've already forced out a bunch of good career people and sent a chill through the organization. i hear they're moving lots of resources. i don't know how they're doing that. given that the fbi has long decided how to deploy its resources with a process that ranks the threats and puts resources against the threats. with terrorism and counterintelligence at the top

of that stack. and if you're going to make a change, you have to go ask congress, in my experience, because they make the law. so i'm a little confused when i hear announcements about moving thousands of people here or changing priorities there. >> we don't know. there's not a lot of transparency into what exactly is happening. that's right. to your point, i mean, patel and his number two, dan bongino, have recently come under fire from from maga world, i guess you could call it, for exposing the so-called deep state plots. i mean, i guess they haven't done enough, in their view, is why they've come under fire. it seems like that might be influence from the. it's hard to know, but but what do you make of that? because, you know, he was in many ways the choice of the maga world. and now they seem to be a little mad at him. >> well, because he's found himself now in a reality based world where statements have to be under oath in front of judges, and there are severe consequences for lying. not the case with a podcast. and so that's what i meant when i say he has to drive the car. now, of course he's going to disappoint the people he gave that nonsense

to for years, because the fbi newsflash is not a left wing cabal of deep staters. it's a fundamentally honest group of people trying to figure out what's true. he now sees that he has to say that. and the people who follow him are going to find that very disappointing. >> one of the other trends we've seen is you mentioned this is a dismantling, a dismantling. some of it we see publicly, some of it we just hear about. one of the things we've seen recently is the dismantling of the office of public integrity, which historically, typically, if people are going to from the part of the justice department is part of the justice was supposed to make sure prosecutions of lawmakers aren't political. what do you make of the dismantling of that? it's been they've cut staff. they've tried to cut their role. what does that mean? what should people understand about it? >> well, these are the people who through decades and decades have seen every kind of case. and so they're there to make sure that the work, no matter who's in charge in the white house, no matter who the attorney general is, that the work is done consistently with previous practice and consistent

with the law. i know republicans these days aren't big in thinking about principle or precedent. they're going to be deeply sorry that that disappears, because someday there will be a democratic president and there will be investigations of republican officeholders. if i'm them, i sure would want these career people in place making sure that it's done in the right way. look, i've long thought that you could shrink the size of some of the department of justice headquarters units, but this is like burning down the house and then standing in front of the pile of ashes and saying, yeah, we really did need to retile the guest bath. right. this is destroying the place at a cost that's going to take years and years to rebuild. >> what does that rebuilding look like? i mean, we're only a couple of months in, so it's almost hard to know what it would look like. but at this point, you're talking about dismantling the office of public integrity. fbi field offices may or may not have been underfunded and dismantled. what does the rebuilding look like? >> it'll take principled leadership that, in a

transparent, logical way, figures out what resources need to be where. it'll happen quickly. the good news is we're going to go through three plus years of real pain. innocent people are going to be hurt, forced out of these organizations. dumber decisions are going to be made because the talent drained away. but it will come back very quickly and be rebuilt very quickly. these characters are not going to change the department of justice or the fbi in any fundamental way. you don't change culture by shouting at it or cursing it. you maintain an organization by bringing in talented people. they'll come back. >> trump's budget bill, which passed the first step this week, as you well know, has many more steps to go. but it would allocate huge sums of money to immigration enforcement. some experts say it would make ice the biggest law enforcement agency in the country by funding it bigger than the fbi. what do you think about that? >> i sure hope they're keeping their eye on the top threats on the fbi stack, that they're keeping their eye on the

terrorism threat, cyber threat, also the counterintelligence threat. those things are not going to go away. no matter how much you talk about immigration enforcement. and god help us if we lose sight of those. >> we're going to take a very quick break. thank you for staying with me for another block. we're talking about your book. lots more things. i have more questions. we'll be right back. >> this is the story of the one who doesn't just see a broken dock. he sees lost revenue. a late night and work stalled to a halt. thankfully, he has the experience to handle whatever comes his way and has granger on his side, offering access to technical product specialists and the scale to deliver fast so he can keep his business and gear and always moving forward. call click granger.com or just stop by granger for the ones who get it done guys. got hair loss. i know what you're thinking. should i shave my head, comb it over, wear a hat. just stop.

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written. what a fun process. i think you've told me you enjoy writing fiction. it's fiction, but it centers around a right wing influencer who directs his followers to commit violence, which feels it's not exactly topical in this moment, but it feels like something we've been talking about for several years. what what inspired you? is there a specific moment or person that inspired you to write about that storyline? >> well, it's been a feature of my work, especially the fbi, and i'm trying to write stuff that grips people, but is also real. and this is a threat we've been dealing with since the islamic state came on the scene in 2014 and was using the internet to reach troubled people and move them to violence. well, that threat has now gotten much larger because podcasts are everywhere, and it's a tool of people in white identity extremism trying to motivate young men, especially to move towards violence because they're being replaced, they're being attacked. america is under assault. this is a real feature of the fbi's work. and so i

thought it would make a good setting for a crime novel. >> i remember well, because i was at the state department in the earlier days of isis, or when it became really front and center, and there were so many different efforts to fight back on the kind of social media aspect of recruitment and, and kind of building this network. do you think the federal government, we're in a unique time now, but do you think there's been enough progress made in that regard as from what you've seen? >> no, we haven't figured out how to deal with the threat that is essentially a devil sitting on a troubled person's shoulder, literally whispering in their ear all day long, you are maligned. you are picked on. you need to fight back. you need to stand up. you need to take action that moves people in dangerous ways. and so it's an important thing today. i hope the fbi is focused on it because it's after the obscenity that is the pardon of the january 6th defendants. i can't imagine that a lot of people are clamoring to work domestic terrorism at the

fbi right now. >> no. and it's such an important, important part of what they should be doing. the question of when speech becomes a crime is central to your book, too, and it is very topical. it has been for years. how do you think about that issue? >> well, there's an important line. we must protect speech. we must protect even obscenity. upsetting speech, offensive speech. but there is a point at which the line when it's clearly out of bounds, where someone is commanding someone to act in a violent way, directing someone to act in a violent way. and so what enforcers need to do is find the clear, out of bounds conduct so you don't chill speech, but you also punish really bad people. and so it's not as hard as you might think, as long as you stay away from the gray areas. there's plenty of work that's out of bounds. >> do you think there's a i mean, one of the things that is happening now is that the trump administration, of course, testing the system in ways it hasn't been tested before in the law enforcement sense. do you

think there are laws that should be put in place that would help better manage this, that aren't in place now? i mean, are we equipped? is the law enforcement system and the legal system equipped to deal with what we're seeing now? >> probably there could be changes at the margins, but in the main we have the tools. there are cultural impediments to doing this work. let's say you work in the fbi. you know that one of the two political parties is, let me put it nicely, white supremacist adjacent at a minimum. and so why would you want to throw your career on that side of the line and be summoned to capitol hill to be asked, why are you pursuing these innocent groups? and so we have a cultural impediment to working it effectively. that should get more attention than it does. >> you dedicated this book to the men and women of the s.d.n.y. tell me more about that. >> well, it's where i began my career and where i was the u.s. attorney. and i have a child who works there now. it is a remarkable group of people, some of whom are democrats, some of whom are republicans. but you

would never know that, because the great sin in that office is to be political. it's all about what is true, what is true, what can we prove? what cases should we bring, given that and that is under threat in this trump administration. >> you've watched a lot of institutions you love be gutted, be targeted, be threatened. the s.d.n.y is one of them in recent months. what has that been like to watch? >> very painful. and i saw we all saw really talented people resign on principle, be put on leave and investigated to try and intimidate them to both deal with a particular case. the trump administration wanted to cut this corrupt bargain with the mayor of new york over a case, but also to send a chilling message s.d.n.y. you're nothing special. don't you go trying to step out from our political program. and that's a very concerning message for anyone to send, but especially at that jewel. >> james comey, thank you for being here. your new book has a scene from our shared alma mater

in it. so that's something any william and mary graduates or students out there can look for in the book, too. fdr drive is out and it can be purchased anywhere you buy books. thank you so much for being here. >> great to be with you. >> coming up, republicans prepare to go home and explain to their constituents why they voted for massive cuts to medicaid. to be a fly on the wall for that. and fair warning, the attack ads are already up on the air. congresswoman pramila jayapal is standing by, and she joins me to talk about all of it when we come back. >> my eyes. >> they're dry. >> uncomfortable, looking for extra hydration. now there's blink nutritive. it works differently than drops. blink nutritive is a once daily supplement clinically proven to hydrate from within, helping your eyes produce more of their own tears to promote lasting, continuous relief. you'll feel day after day. try blink. day after day. try blink. nutritive is a diffe [upbeat music]

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like medicaid to pay for tax cuts for millionaires. case in point, an ad against colorado republican congressman gabe evans, part of a six figure ad ad buy by one nonprofit aligned with a democratic super pac. take a look. >> gabe evans. >> was sent to washington to cut costs. instead, evans just cast the deciding vote to set up cuts threatening health care for nearly 80 million americans. to cut another big check to billionaires, cutting medicaid. >> and making. >> health care more. expensive so billionaires. >> can. >> pay. >> less, threatening health care for 37. >> million. >> kids, and kicking seniors out of nursing homes just to make billionaires like elon musk. even richer, it's time to send gabe. evans a message. stand up for. >> us. >> not billionaires. >> and i think we can expect that message to be repeated in republican district after republican district. joining me now is democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal of washington. among many titles, she's senior whip of the democratic caucus, as well as a member of the

budget committee. what a week. and i want to we've been trying to pull apart and talk about all the specifics in this bill so people understand them. and i want to do that with you, too. i just wanted to start since i just played that ad. i mean, the midterms are a very long way away. i've already acknowledged that there's a lot to run against, but these cuts to medicaid and health care and food stamps that are a core part of this budget bill feels like a central argument. do you think it's set up to be a central argument for democrats next year? >> absolutely, jen. i mean, you know how critically important it is to lower costs for the american people. that's what donald trump said he was going to do on day one. that was the economic message that drove his victory. in my opinion, people believe that that was what was going to happen. not only have his indiscriminate tariffs increased. >> costs. >> but now you're going to increase costs again by cutting people out of health care, cutting. >> people off of. >> food assistance. >> there are so. >> many things in this bill,

those two being sort of the most immediate economic impacts that people will feel, and raising. prices for everybody across a range of things, all so that you can give a $5 trillion tax break to billionaires like elon musk. i don't think that's a message that is politically smart. obviously, i think it's morally bankrupt, but i also don't think it's politically smart. and i think that these republicans are already hearing it, and i'm not sure why they would take a vote like that in the house. when i think it's linked directly to losing their elections next midterm. >> i think we played a bunch of clips of a number of republicans who voted for the bill, saying they would not cut medicaid, and i'm sure those are going to appear in ads across the country as well. there are also pieces of this bill that and it's 1000 pages. everybody's just dug through it over the last couple of days that i don't think have gotten enough attention. i want

to talk to you about some of them. i mean, for example, the bill hurts trans americans by targeting gender affirming care for all ages. that is also, of course, an attack on health care. but can you talk about the impact of that part of the legislation? because it's incredibly devastating, and it just hasn't because of the massive medicaid cuts, it probably hasn't received as much attention as it as it warrants. >> well, and it was changed at the last minute. i mean, here's the thing. these people voted on a bill that had all these changes, many of which people didn't even read, and we still don't know the budgetary impacts or the numbers of people. but this was one of the changes. originally the bill had, you know, cutting trans care, gender affirming care in just for kids under 18. and then one of the last minute changes that they made was to extend it to all adults not being able to be covered on medicaid. by that, i mean, it is it is so cruel, jen. i mean, we're talking about a population that is tiny, tiny,

tiny. and republicans have been particularly bullying trans kids. but this is an attack on health care for all people. and remember that a lot of gender affirming care is the same care that, you know, other people are getting. i mean, it's very, very similar. a lot of the pieces of gender affirming care. and so it's an attack on all kinds of medical care for, for everybody. and certainly trans people are a big part of, of the attack. >> this bill now goes to the senate. that's the next step. i suspect they'll try to change some things at least. there's a lot of senators who are saying that. but one of the big parts of the bill that some senate republicans at least are questioning is the cuts to the green energy tax credits that, by and large, i mean, they help a lot of people, but they they really do help a lot of red states, which is why some of these senate republicans are speaking out about them. talk to me a little bit about you're so familiar with the details of this. you're in a lot of committees about the impact of

those cuts, because they actually are a very large chunk of money of the cuts as well. >> well, that's right. and there's sort of two things that we should watch in the senate. one is which cuts do they actually take back. and the green energy tax credits. this is out of the inflation reduction act. many of those tax credits went to red states. and so those are the states. those are the senators that are saying, wait a second. we've got big projects that are being funded, jobs that are being created, that money is coming directly into our state's economy. we don't want to lose that. and you're right, that is a big portion. there are also obviously the cuts to medicaid are very to apply through all the bureaucratic requirements. and so i think we're going to see the estimate was at least 14 million or almost 14 million americans would get kicked off of health care. i think it's going to be much bigger than that. but then i would also say, jen, that there's a section of policy in this bill that nobody has really dug into that will have to go

through the senate parliamentarian, because, as you know, there's not supposed to be policy in here. but my concern, and i have always said that we should have gotten rid of the filibuster when we had control, because we would have used it to pass higher minimum wage. we would have used it for getting money out of politics, for expanding the voting rights act, things that are really necessary. what they are doing now is they are going to continue using it to make ■sure that they make those tax cuts for the billionaires permanent, and to do policy changes. if they don't listen to the parliamentarian, they have things in here like overturning the flores agreement, which essentially allows for kids to be detained, immigrant kids to be detained indefinitely. they have a provision in here that my state insurance company commissioner was talking to me about that prohibits states from regulating ai in their own state. so there are a number of

policy pieces that are in here, including around immigration more broadly, but in a number of different areas. and given what they just did with the cra in essentially bypassing the parliamentarian in getting, you know, opposing california's efforts to move to electric vehicles in california, they clearly are willing to do this again. and they've already said that in terms of the tax cuts. and, jen, if i have a minute, i would just say, look at the tax cut section. it is crazy. they're trying to talk about bread crumbs for working people. i mean, the bottom 20% of americans will get a $90 tax cut. this was the last bill that we had. so it wasn't the final, but probably even worse than that, the top 1% of point one of 1% of billionaires will get $398,000. there's $1,000,000,100

billion just for millionaires, 100 millionaires to get tax cuts of something like $98,000 each. so i think when they say that there are going to be tax cuts for working people, ask them how much, ask them what percentage is going to the bottom 90%, and what percentage is going to the top 10%. and then you see exactly where the bill is stacked is just once again, it's for elon musk, jeff bezos, all those billionaires out there who i guess are going to buy another luxury yacht or luxury plane, while other people are going to be cut off of $2 a day for a meal. jen. >> there are some stunning charts we've been trying to show them. economists out there keep producing them. we'll keep showing them. congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you so much. i really appreciate you joining me. and coming up, we're going to talk about trump's new social security administration administrator, i'm sorry, who literally had to google his own job. i'm not making it up. don't

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perfect homecoming for their papa, who has been away on a trip. and spoiler alert there's lots of chocolate cake involved in this story. who doesn't love chocolate cake? so i wanted to. congratulations on the book, first of all, and i want to talk about that. the right's attack. and i started talking. i started with this because i think it's always important to remind people, i mean, the right's attack on lgbtq people isn't just about legislation. it's also their rhetoric that aims to demonize lgbtq people and their families. that's we see it. it's in legislatures. it's in what comes out of their mouths. it's an incredibly tough message to hear if you're a young person who's just trying to become comfortable with who they are, or a child whose family includes two moms or two dads or any combination. was that a factor? what you're seeing out there in your decision to write this book right now? >> it wasn't really. i won't say. that it isn't a scary time. i think in our. >> country. i just. >> wanted to write a book that looked like our family. >> i think books are like. >> windows and mirrors. they're

an opportunity to either see yourself reflected. >> on the. >> page of the story, or an opportunity to maybe peer into a different person's. life or a different perspective. so this book for our family is a mirror. my kids get to see a family that looks just like theirs in the book. it's also a great tool for every other family, and at the core of the story, it's just a story of unconditional love. the papa comes home from his trip, the kids think he'll have missed all this stuff, and he tells them, hey, the best part about coming home is you. it's unconditional love over material things. >> many books. one of the things that was striking to me is how many books geared towards the lgbtq community, which this is geared towards many, many people who have kids, just anybody really, but many are grounded in the message that lots of families are different. it's okay to be different. that's a baseline of the message. but in this book, having two dads isn't the point of the book. it's treated just as kind of part of the story. that's part of the family. talk to me about why that was important. it sounds like it was a reflection of your

family, but you didn't want to make it so central that that was the central thing. that was the takeaway. >> yeah. i mean, certain parts of it are certainly fictionalized. >> i don't. >> bake seven tier chocolate cakes before i go pick somebody. >> up at the airport. >> but. >> you know, it's. >> just important to have sweet stories. i mean, as a parent, you know, you read a million books to your kids at bedtime. >> and i. >> just wanted one story with a family that looked like ours. it wasn't important for me to have difference upfront. i think when we're able to see ourselves in the story rather than the story, say, hey, you should see yourself in this because you are different. it just provides us an opportunity to normalize families like ours. and i think this is a modern american family, and every kid in america deserves to see themselves on the page of a book. many families take different structures and shapes, and this is just one example of a different type of family. >> i know kids are not easily impressed. i've talked to your husband about how your kids are not impressed with him either, particularly how have they reacted to the book? do they

know you? they think it's cool. do they have a favorite part of the book? >> they do well. they love the picture of the dog licking the frosting off the counter. and pete told me a really sweet story when he was driving the kids to school. when i was out on book tour, he said, did you know that dad is. going. >> you're breaking up a little bit, but keep going. >> and gus, our son, said, oops. and gus asked if i was going to bring the story home. so i think they they take great pride in ownership of the story. >> i like that, i like that they they, they make it about them, which i think is a very normal thing to do as kids. were there any you said it's sort of fiction too, but it reflects your family. were there any specific homecomings or personal family moments that really drew you drew from for inspiration? i mean, would you actually let your twins bake a seven layer cake? i know you don't, but would you let them do it? >> i mean. >> it's certainly fun to try. i,

i love the hug at the end of the book. that's the best part about coming home. i just came home from a tour today. and isn't it the best feeling in the world when your kid sees you come home and shouts your name and just wrap their arms around you? and that's what this book captures, that feeling of waiting and anticipating. someone you love to come home, and that great feeling of finally being able to hug them. >> there's nothing better. my kids are a little older than you, than yours are, so i have to sort of like force that on them a little bit more. but you're still in the stage where you really embrace that. at its core, this this book is really about unconditional love. it's such a great message for all kids to hear. every family's different, which is a beautiful thing. what do you hope people who read it with their kids take away? >> yeah. i think in this season of politics, i know things can seem kind of dark and scary out

there, but one of the most important jobs we have as advocates are public people is to love our kids, to remind them that they are loved. you know, i grew up in northern michigan. at a certain time when it felt like the world wasn't built for kids like me, and i always knew my parents loved me. but i thought that love was conditional. i thought that once they found out who the real chastin was, that i would lose that love. and i think it's really important. from a young age, we have conversations with our kids to remind them that our love for them is unconditional, that we will love them just the same. and so one of the best things i can do right now, especially amidst the chaos and the darkness, is to focus on being a good dad, because that fills my soul. it reminds me of why we do what we do. and isn't it our most important job in the world to show up for our kids and build a better world for them? >> nothing more grounding than that. even on the worst day, which is true. test and buttigieg, congratulations on your book. thank you so much for joining me. i really appreciate it. >> thanks for. >> celebrating, joy. >> good to see you.

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